Build-A-Song #2

[jaymz]

the thing is - maybe you can explain to me, is it possible there to upload project files and keep them private from the kompoz community and members? I see where you have uploaded song43 there ... and I really don't wanna spend hours scouring the site right now, so that's a question you could answer.

yes. I think I did mention that at when in the post above when i first brought it up (i think). You pay $4.95 and start a private project, you are basically buying the storage, categorizing and easy linking ability (such as the amazon cloud storage and mp3 conversion, etc).

Not to get into this 'all' here, but yes, drupal has the ability to do all of this.. its just a long arduous process. Te new method for storing large binary objects these days is with saas or high availability cloud infrastructure. One of the most popular methods is Amazon's cloudfront ( http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/ ) I am sure Drupal has the ability to integrate with it (i know Joomla does and Drupal is usually one step ahead).

That's just my technical knowledge tidbit of the day

[Peevette]

I know I personally have no desire for yet one more account online ... I'm guessing I wouldn't be alone on that.

You're not alone on that. I really do not feel like having to sign up for yet another online account, then switch back and forth from forum to storage site to see if there is anything that I need to be aware of.

Sharing files via email has not raised any issues, to my knowledge, when it comes to sharing files.

I'm wondering if working with MP3's is the main issue here for Jaymz? Not sure.

Like Krispy, I signed on for the Build #1 on this site, and I would prefer to stay on this site........

[Mark Kaufman]

One thing that's important to me in any sort of file-storage scenario is retaining full control of what I upload. I still have it at SoundClick--if I want to delete something at 4am, it's all good--but anything I've ever posted at OurStage will take an act of Congress to delete...including all the initial cassette-recorded shlock I have up there and would like to take down. That's why I prefer to post links instead of uploading files...why freeze my songs into someone else's website, unable to remove or modify them without permission?

How do Kompoz and Audiopolis deal with that?

[pharquartt]

whatever you choose for file storage, the type of file might be a limitation, jaymz.

MP3s are common, and 48Khz 32 bit WAV is not. (44.1 and 16 is .)

not everyone can afford the equipment for "pro" audio transfers. should we not consider that as well?

yes, i would love to have things "studio" quality at all times, but is that really practical in these collabs?

just askin'

[jaymz]

whatever you choose for file storage, the type of file might be a limitation, jaymz.

MP3s are common, and 48Khz 32 bit WAV is not. (44.1 and 16 is .)

not everyone can afford the equipment for "pro" audio transfers. should we not consider that as well?

yes, i would love to have things "studio" quality at all times, but is that really practical in these collabs?

just askin'

probably should have backed up on the 32 bit stuff. I understand not everyone's sound card can do that.

But you should be able to do 48 khz wav. You'll get a lot more room to work with at that resolution.

mixing mp3's as source tracks is just awful though. you have no idea what it was encoded with, if compression exists, etc.

as far as online file storage, i would think anything anyone would use should let you delete the files you put there. Ourstage isn't a file repository, nor are forums typically, so naturally that would be a different scenario.

[mistertroll]

Is there a way to set up The Dump to do this?

[zxyz]

I've had a kompoz account for a while, and I ain't going over there with this. I vote for keeping it all here. (Thats why I came here!) We have the icollab for posting tracks (I mean 325kbps/ 44.1Khz isnt that bad is it?) and the bin for cussing at it. Fun stuff. Neat and tidy. Shyte spread all over the place is just too much to keep track of after a hard days work or even a busy weekend, in my opinion.

[cjdenecia]

One thing that's important to me in any sort of file-storage scenario is retaining full control of what I upload. I still have it at SoundClick--if I want to delete something at 4am, it's all good--but anything I've ever posted at OurStage will take an act of Congress to delete...including all the initial cassette-recorded shlock I have up there and would like to take down. That's why I prefer to post links instead of uploading files...why freeze my songs into someone else's website, unable to remove or modify them without permission?

How do Kompoz and Audiopolis deal with that?

audiopolis is a factor, but isn't - yet. at AR.com (here) - within your very own control panel, you have the ability to delete whatever files you have uploaded - be they pictures, documents or sound files. and you can do it at bleep o'clock. to be honest, I didn't know it till recently when jay pointed it out to me (and the mods). yeah, it was all about roxi and another one of his tantrums.

as far as wave vs mp3 ... it's a given, wave files are better. it's also a given that not everyone is gonna use 'em. but let me point out that chris K just complimented the recording of drums on a song that SP sent me a 256 mp3 on. are mp3's the best way to go? no. but they can be used. let's face some simple facts here - nobody's releasing this shit to go on national or international distribution by way of any large name. 95% of what we do needs the real pro work to finish off. is it about perfection or getting it close and having a time of it? I'm not selling my left nut for equipment and software and I assume most of you are rather attached to your genitals as well.

and one other thing regarding files - 48's are great - obviously. but 44.1's aren't shabby cassette recordings. and facts are - many wouldn't even know where to change that setting in their software. MUSICIANS. not tech heads. add to that the many relatively good soundcards that don't go above 44.1 and you have a situation where you are lucky if you receive all files that are 44.1 320 mp3's.

[jaymz]

Fun stuff. Neat and tidy. Shyte spread all over the place is just too much to keep track of after a hard days work or even a busy weekend, in my opinion.

agreed.

now that we have tried for two different collab projects with over 10 different pages of "this is how we should do it" and neither really took off either because roxi or i derailed it, i need a break.. my brain hurts.

the last one you all did at least produced a finished product, so whatever you did for the current audience is apparently is the right way.

[Mark Kaufman]

So far in my collab life, it's usually gone this way:

You get an MP3 in your email to work with.

You record your part and send it in WAV form to the producer, usually using YouSendIt or the like.

Producer mixes WAVs and posts MP3s. At project's end, everyone gets a WAV file to keep. But MP3's are still what you end up posting at most places.

[Stevo]

So far in my collab life, it's usually gone this way:

You get an MP3 in your email to work with.

You record your part and send it in WAV form to the producer, usually using YouSendIt or the like.

Producer mixes WAVs and posts MP3s. At project's end, everyone gets a WAV file to keep. But MP3's are still what you end up posting at most places.

There you go again Mark, sounding way too sensible!

[Krispy]

Anyone else notice how smoothly discussions continued after Sensationalist Saucy buggered off?


Well, and ME...

I nor kim nor anybody ever said you were trying to ruin everything.

Yeah, shut up Jaymz you tart, you're ruining everything.

[zxyz]

So i guess #2 has fizzled off to a untimely miserable death, then?
I guess I'll start my thread "#3" with the song that I'm working on even though it's not up to par yet, even by my standards..
And I'LL be in charge of this one heh..heh..

[Mark Kaufman]

Do it to it, Z!

I will definitely start a new one in the near future, and rather than start from scratch, I'll start it with...with...with something. Maybe drum and bass, maybe a chord pattern with a click, but something...it will make things a little easier to begin that way, and I'll produce that one too.

I'm actually pretty keen on Saucy's message about hearing good ideas for ROXI's track...since Rick wants nothing to do with ROX, I assume he's probably fine with having Steve give it a shot. (Would that be correct, Rick?) If so, then maybe #1 might just find itself resuscitated after all, and we'll see who still wants in.

[pharquartt]

Do it to it, Z!

I will definitely start a new one in the near future, and rather than start from scratch, I'll start it with...with...with something. Maybe drum and bass, maybe a chord pattern with a click, but something...it will make things a little easier to begin that way, and I'll produce that one too.

I'm actually pretty keen on Saucy's message about hearing good ideas for ROXI's track...since Rick wants nothing to do with ROX, I assume he's probably fine with having Steve give it a shot. (Would that be correct, Rick?) If so, then maybe #1 might just find itself resuscitated after all, and we'll see who still wants in.

roxi had a fine drum track and a piss poor attitude. (almost as bad as mine)

i have a few ideas that i am working on in spite of the drama and they all utilize his timing at the moment. probably will develop some of them on a click track and then see if i can find a cooperative team to fill in at that point.

saucy is welcome to do whatever he wishes. not my call to make, certainly. i'm curious where he went with it, myself.

all problems have a solution. i'm working on mine. we'll figure out the "best" methods, eventually.